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    In all reality there is not much difference between these calibers & one should just rely on em to fight your way to a long gun.....


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    You forgot 7.62x25




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    Quote Originally Posted by Ad Astra View Post
    You forgot 7.62x25




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    Is that a "real" caliber

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    Heh.

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    .357 Sig, .40 S&W, , 9x25 Dillon, and 10mm

    some rifle cartridges I photographed a few years ago:

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    Havin' reloaded a few of them, I can't help but have a certain appreciation fer the .40sw.

    Jest holdin' it in my hand, it's like it's the perfect case.

    Lately, I been loadin' it fer my SV 'n my G20 ... long, fer both (though neither don't necessarily need to be).

    I ain't no blind follower of the late Col. Cooper ... but I gotta wonder why he didn't start out with the .40sw 'n jest load it long.

    From what I hear, with the small primer, the case is actually more durable than the 10mm.

    Anyhow, I like it plenty.

    Jest wish someone made a single-stack that could actually feed it.

    I know Springfield makes/made a double-wide .45 ... be nice if they made a double-wide .40sw ... not even fer IPSC ... jest so folks could buy a reliable .40sw in 1911-style.
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    The 40 does nothing better than the .45 and is just marginally better than the 9mm, but at a loss of mag capacity.....

    It's not as flat shooting as the 357sig, does not have the range or penetration capability of the 357sig..........

    Not as powerful as the 10mm and in fact was designed as a scaled down 10mm as many FBI agents had major problems with the 10mm being to big and powerful............

    But it is better than the .22, 25 and 380

    No thanks, I'll pass on the 40 short and weak..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rampy View Post
    The 40 does nothing better than the .45 and is just marginally better than the 9mm, but at a loss of mag capacity.....

    It's not as flat shooting as the 357sig, does not have the range or penetration capability of the 357sig..........

    Not as powerful as the 10mm and in fact was designed as a scaled down 10mm as many FBI agents had major problems with the 10mm being to big and powerful............

    But it is better than the .22, 25 and 380

    No thanks, I'll pass on the 40 short and weak..........
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    Don't git me wrong ... I like the 9mm ... I'm gittin' old ... and loud noises frighten me.

    I'm also paranoid, so I need the awesome power of the .357sig.

    And to prove I ain't jumpin' on the bandwagon, I'll take the .45acp over all that nonsense. Shit, I'll even load it with blackpowder!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigosaur View Post
    I know Springfield makes/made a double-wide .45 ... be nice if they made a double-wide .40sw ... not even fer IPSC ... jest so folks could buy a reliable .40sw in 1911-style.
    I came across a used double stack Para Ordnance 1911 in .40 at a gun shop one time (think the guy was asking $500). It was a compact 1911 with 13+1 capacity, but fit my hand real well. Would have bought it home if I was certain I could have fitted a standard 1911 ambidextrous safety and find extra mags (only had 1). I could have sworn it said P13 on the slide but a little searching around didnt yield any results

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigosaur View Post
    Wow! ... I see yer well-read ... on the interlink.

    Not 'nuff coffee this mornin'?

    Don't git me wrong ... I like the 9mm ... I'm gittin' old ... and loud noises frighten me.

    I'm also paranoid, so I need the awesome power of the .357sig.

    And to prove I ain't jumpin' on the bandwagon, I'll take the .45acp over all that nonsense. Shit, I'll even load it with blackpowder!
    Have seen a gunshot or 2, one guy was shot in the aorta with a .40 he lived long enough to get to the ER and died about 30 min after getting shot by the 40 short and weak.....

    I'll take my 45 Colt's loaded with blackpowder......

    Or even better, how about a bowling ball cannon....

    I've came face to face with pure de evil and the 1st and only thought in my empty head was that I was wishing for my 45 auto and that Mr Browning knew what he was doing when he designed the 1911........

    Now my daily carry is either a Glock 19 or a Sig 239..........

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    Sigs are for prima donnas... good on ya for the Glock!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Colglazier View Post
    Sigs are for prima donnas... good on ya for the Glock!

    Andy
    Ummm, the glock in my beater pistol, it's been abused and who gives a shit about a glock anyway

    Noe the Sig 239 is my little dainty pistol & when I want the big pistol it's time to break out the Sig 229/TLR1 combo Only thing is it's hard to conceal such a big rig, but it's possible in a Raven Concealment belt holster



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    In all reality there is not much difference between these calibers and one should just rely on them to fight your way to an even longer gun...



    Everything is relative of course. The variations between the calibers shown in the original post are insignificant compared to a long gun, true, but compared with each other they're different enough. There are also other "serious" pistol calibers that are quite a bit different than all of them. I posted a picture of one earlier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Rishar View Post

    Everything is relative of course.
    Yep, saw a guy shot in the head with a .25 at point blank & it sort of broke the skin & lodged in the skin, bullet actually fell out on the ground.....

    Pistol calibers even the "new" and highly vaunted Five-Seven that's not yet stood the test of time & does not have a long track record is just a pistol round, light bullet going fast....

    It's not about the pistol, or the caliber but it's about stopping the fight and the actions that forced one to shoot....

    However, using today's modern self defense bullet design's, (compare each caliber with like bullets and ammo) powder and such the actually difference between the major self defense rounds such as 9mm, 40S&W, 357Sig, .45ACP is extremly minimal and it's more about shot placement than anything......

    Oh and nothing tops the 125gr JHP 357magnum round when it comes to one stop stops of goblins.....No handgun caliber has achieved this level...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rampy View Post
    Pistol calibers even the "new" and highly vaunted Five-Seven that's not yet stood the test of time & does not have a long track record is just a pistol round, light bullet going fast....
    It's too new to have a long track record. However, the track record that it's currently establishing seems to be impressive. My concern for it is twofold: that some (most?) agencies do not like to talk specifically about what they do (particularly when they've killed someone), leaving holes in said record; and secondly, that FN foists neutered coulda-been ammunition on civilian shooters and acts like it's the real deal.

    I'm not talking about armor penetration in the latter case, before anyone asks. I'm merely talking about service-grade powder loads and defense-oriented bullet selections. It doesn't affect those of us who roll our own but I'd hate to see a promising idea die due to a misunderstanding.

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    It's not about the pistol, or the caliber but it's about stopping the fight and the actions that forced one to shoot....
    I don't think that you'll find too many people who will argue with this concept in theory. In practice though, one tool is not the same as every other tool. There are differences (some significant in certain circumstances) and one must be comfortable with their choice, or they will be uncomfortable when they're using it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rampy View Post
    However, using today's modern self defense bullet design's, (compare each caliber with like bullets and ammo) powder and such the actually difference between the major self defense rounds such as 9mm, 40S&W, 357Sig, .45ACP is extremly minimal and it's more about shot placement than anything......
    Extremely minimal? Maybe, maybe not. There are enough differences there to confuse someone new to the field, no? And there are enough differences there to convince some of the old hands that their choice is correct and all others are useless. When one factors in FMJ (less of an issue for us civilians, but it's an issue for others) the problem becomes more complicated. Add realistic magazine capacities, recoil, feeding issues, even cost and availability, and now we're looking at something interesting.

    To be honest, I personally believe that for a competent marksman, firing one aimed shot with no time limit and utilizing an efficient bullet design, the differences are insignificant. Outside of that it gets more complicated, and then we pay our money and we take our chances.

    In fact, in some ways I miss having my equipment choices dictated to me. Things were so much simpler (and cheaper) back then.

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    Oh and nothing tops the 125gr JHP 357magnum round when it comes to one stop stops of goblins.....No handgun caliber has achieved this level...
    Now you're fucking trolling. Everyone knows that 9x19/.40/10mm/.45 ACP/5.7x28/.41/.44/.38/.45 LC/.357 OMG is teh win, and all other calibers suck it sloppily.

    That's actually a pretty good argument for one not being any better than the other, now that I think about it. (Or rampant consumerism. )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rampy View Post
    Yep, saw a guy shot in the head ...

    ...Oh and nothing tops the 125gr JHP 357magnum round when it comes to one stop stops of goblins.....No handgun caliber has achieved this level...
    I admit I've never seen anybody shot in the head but the best one-stop round seems a non-debatable issue.

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    Calm down everyone.....

    The best pistol caliber is the one that YOU can hit the target with.

    I have a P89 that I couldn't hit a dead cat with. My .22 MK II is a rabbit killer at 40 yards and don't even think about me and the GP100- I hit what I aim at with it.

    Had a 44 mag that I couldn't hit crap with too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EBR View Post
    Calm down everyone.....
    Awwwww dad........

    The best pistol caliber is the one that YOU can hit the target with.[/QUOTE]

    Goes without saying....

    Quote Originally Posted by EBR View Post
    I have a P89 that I couldn't hit a dead cat with.
    Well duh, it's a semi auto & not a .22 Ruger, what did you expect...accuracy...


    Quote Originally Posted by EBR View Post
    My .22 MK II is a rabbit killer at 40 yards and don't even think about me and the GP100- I hit what I aim at with it.
    As long as it's as big as a barn door....

    Quote Originally Posted by EBR View Post
    Had a 44 mag that I couldn't hit crap with too.
    Mrs Rampy is better with the .44 than Rampy is...

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    Shoot what you are good with.
    Yep.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rampy View Post
    Now my daily carry is either a Glock 19 or a Sig 239..........
    I carried a P239 in the truck fer years ... Glock 23 'fore that ... I'd guess we're either both very smart ... 'er very lucky!

    A few months ago, I switched to a S&W 4.25in Scandium 1911 fer the truck ... I'd been carryin' the other S&W 4.25in Scandium 1911 I own fer over a year prior to that (when I take the family out) ... now that the former one has been "certified", I've ... uh ... "standardized".

    I certainly don't mean to brag ... plenty of guys can whoop my ass ... but ya win USPSA Single-Stack 'nuff times, and suddenly carryin' a 1911 seems like a purdy good idea.

    Yes Andy, ya read that right ... when I take the family out in my Tahoe, I've actually got two guns!

    Oh ... CW, I know ya've got one of these, too ... 'er at least, ya did ... jest a werd of warnin', the blued Italian mags that come with it (MecGars?) ain't reliable (dimensions of the 4.25in Scandium ain't quite mil-spec) ... use Wilson Combat ETM's!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigosaur View Post

    jest a werd of warnin', the blued Italian mags that come with it (MecGars?) ain't reliable (dimensions of the 4.25in Scandium ain't quite mil-spec) ... use Wilson Combat ETM's!
    Sig, I picked up some mags recently, the guy I bought them from said they were government surplus. I tend to believe him, they're wrapped in that plain brown wrapper, got lot numbers stamped on the paper in red, and dated. They work very well in my Colt and Springfield. Think I paid about 9 bux each for them.

    They work every bit as good as my Wilsons, McCormicks, etc. Thing I wonder is, what are they surplus from? I think the dates are from '07.
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    Sig, I picked up some mags recently, the guy I bought them from said they were government surplus. I tend to believe him, they're wrapped in that plain brown wrapper, got lot numbers stamped on the paper in red, and dated. They work very well in my Colt and Springfield. Think I paid about 9 bux each for them.

    They work every bit as good as my Wilsons, McCormicks, etc. Thing I wonder is, what are they surplus from? I think the dates are from '07.
    No clue.

    The Wilson ETM's have a longer body, and shorter base-pad (than is typical fer the style) ... so reloads with a full 8rd, are more reliable.

    Otherwise, if ya only ever load 7rd, basically the same thing.

    BTW, them blued mags that come with the S&W's are great in my 5in S&W ... that's what I competed with this year ... jest that the 4.25in Scandium's got different dimensions ... I know that 'cause I tried to fit a S&A magwell on it, and it wouldn't go ... but went on either of my 5in's jest fine (wouldn't go on the other 4.25in, neither).

    I'm purdy sure they're MecGars ... and I think they've got a longer body, like the new Wilson ETM's ... so if ya find a good deal on 'em, and ain't lookin' to use 'em in a S&W 4.25in Scandium 1911, I'd definitely pick 'em up!
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    Hell in an emergency situation, I'd just be happy to have any firearm over none. That doesn't mean that I would feel a warm and fuzzy with a .22, but at least that's 9 shots before the pistol becomes a fistpack

    I'm a pretty good shot (good enough for me) with a revolver loaded with .38 or .357. Granted, I tend to do a fair bit better with the lighter pops of the .38 to the kabooms of the .357 when it comes to grouping. That said, it's a moot point for me. The 686 is too thick and heavy for me to pack it around CCW. It's a chunky gun that really excels as an HD or down at the lake gun (cougars and bobcats like to eat the dogs that wonder off). So, it's generally paired with an 870 for HD and I plan on using the new Condor for lake duty.

    I plan on trying out a .45 to see how I like it. I could manage a single stack 1911 with the right holster set up. The round limitation doesn't bother me. That said, when placed at the right angle and position I can easily carry my 9mm. Even with just one magazine, that's 17 rounds of good HP ammo coming out of a gun that I can hit the target with I'm not looking to take down the fabled gun forums boogyman that is the "PCP hopped up crackhead that takes 20 rounds before he knows he's dead". I guess I MIGHT run into that guy, but if that happens I might be a little leery to take him on with a couple rounds of buckshot.

    At the end of the day, I'm generally lucky if I'm walking around with a 5 shot .38 on my person in the summer. I tuck in my shirt, so I'm pretty limited to where I can stash a gun (ie my boot) until jacket weather comes.

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    I'm generally lucky if I'm walking around with a 5 shot .38 on my person in the summer.
    Nothin' wrong with that!

    I'm of the opinion that everyone should have at least one 5-shot .38 weighin' more 'n 13oz, and less than 20oz ... preferably with a concealed-hammer (not so much fer drawin' from a pocket, as simple carry-comfert).

    Past that, I don't know anyone who wouldn't want to carry a 40oz+ .357 'er .44 ... and I also don't know anyone who can ... fer extended periods, day after day.

    Which is precisely why the 20oz - 24oz automatics are so popular.

    I personally prefer the single-stack 1911's and the polymer Kahrs ... no, they ain't that much slimmer ... but they sure do feel that much slimmer!

    The recoil of a defensive .45acp ammo, in a 24oz gun, can be quite a handful. At that, I think a 9mm 1911, 'er Kahr, is a smart choice!

    A Kahr P40 ain't bad neither, but I'd bet most folks'd be givin' up more accuracy than they'd be willin' to admit.

    I think it's only a matter of time 'til S&W puts out a 4.25in Scadium 9mm 1911 ... and a 3.0in ... either would be a most formidable pistol!

    I'm also of the opinion that when carryin' any automatic, one should always carry a spare mag ... IMNSHO, I think two 8rd mags are immensely superior to one 17rd mag. Of course, two 17rd mags are nice ... 'less ya gotta carry 'em 'round all day (see 40oz+ comments, above).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rampy View Post
    My 1911:
    front-strap checkering ... beavertail ... no front slide-serrations ... extended thumb-safety ... Novak rear sight ... trigger ... custom?

    Looks nice!
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    Heading to the most liberal bastion of liberalism East of Berkly and San Fran today & I need to decide on how to dress best to annoy the hippies & what one of these to take along for the trip


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigosaur View Post
    front-strap checkering ... beavertail ... no front slide-serrations ... extended thumb-safety ... Novak rear sight ... trigger ... custom?

    Looks nice!
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    Heading to the most liberal bastion of liberalism East of Berkly and San Fran today & I need to decide on how to dress best to annoy the hippies & what one of these to take along for the trip
    As I understand it, 'bout the only thing there ya could legally carry in Kalifornia anymore, is the washing machine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigosaur View Post
    As I understand it, 'bout the only thing there ya could legally carry in Kalifornia anymore, is the washing machine.
    Not in Kalif & last time we were there this picture was taken & you would not believe the looks, pointing and laughs I got (Mrs Rampy & the offspring were walking behind watching the hippies) Even ate at a "fast food" Japanese style restaurant with an outdoor patio & several guys were smoking pot openly & a couple cops walked by without doing anything it's so liberal....



    Now the murse looks like this:



    Oh and yes CC is legal for me there..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigosaur View Post
    Oh ... CW, I know ya've got one of these, too ... 'er at least, ya did ... jest a werd of warnin', the blued Italian mags that come with it (MecGars?) ain't reliable (dimensions of the 4.25in Scandium ain't quite mil-spec) ... use Wilson Combat ETM's! [/FONT]

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