CZ vz. 82

[NoahL]

Hello everyone,

Over the past several months I have done a ton of research on the CZ vz. 82 (CZ-82) and now that my fiancee is finally convinced that we need a gun and she needs to get over her fear of them and learn to use them, I pulled the trigger on one. The FFL transfer is being done today and J&G Sales up in Prescott, AZ should be shipping it down to Phoenix for me--hopefully to arrive by Saturday. I ordered the handgun (plus $10 for hand-select) along with the following

From J&G Sales:
2x milsurp mags (12 round capacity)

From AmmunitionToGo
3x 50rd boxes of Silver Bear FMJ
1x 50rd box of Silver Bear HP
2x 6rd packs of Glaser Silver Safety Slugs

From Buffalo Bore:
1x box of 9x18 +P (not sure if it's a 25 or 50 round box)

Yeah, you read that last one right--Buffalo Bore makes +P ball ammo for 9mm Makarov now! Later in the year they will be coming out with a +P HP, and you can bet I'll be shelling out the cash for it. I have to tell ya, I'm seriously excited! The ammo will probably arrive Monday, while the gun should be here Saturday, so that gives me the weekend to familiarize myself (and my fiance) with the handgun and get it stripped and cleaned before taking it out. I may also get started on a holster for it, but we'll have to see how far along I am on my leatherwork orders first.

Does anybody have any personal experience with the CZ vz. 82? Anybody refinish them? Anybody reload the Makarov rounds (I don't have reloading stuff, but it's interesting to hear about)? Any advice?

Thanks guys!

[Five]

Congrats

i love the 9x18. I have a P64 as a BUG. What I enjoy most about the round is that it is peppier than the .380 and was VERY easy to find online during the ammo drought of Ought-Nine when .380, .38 special, .357, and 9x19 were nowhere to be found.

Plus it's pretty cheap to shoot for a non-"regular" round.

[Ad Astra]

What Five says about the ammo.

I have one of the "new" CZ82s that were in the first wave imported ... unissued military guns, IIRC. Later waves were used police guns. All good.

Cheap, powerful, well-made double stack. CZ quality. Did I mention they were cheap, too?

Mags take some breaking in; think I made a loading tool out of scrapwood and a dowel. Or use a Lula.

You'll love it; post pix.


Mike

[NoahL]

Originally Posted by Five

Congrats

i love the 9x18. I have a P64 as a BUG. What I enjoy most about the round is that it is peppier than the .380 and was VERY easy to find online during the ammo drought of Ought-Nine when .380, .38 special, .357, and 9x19 were nowhere to be found.

Plus it's pretty cheap to shoot for a non-"regular" round.

Thanks! I was concerned that since it's a generally milsurp caliber that the supply might dry up, although I have found several places online for it for now.

Originally Posted by Ad Astra

What Five says about the ammo.

I have one of the "new" CZ82s that were in the first wave imported ... unissued military guns, IIRC. Later waves were used police guns. All good.

Cheap, powerful, well-made double stack. CZ quality. Did I mention they were cheap, too?

Mags take some breaking in; think I made a loading tool out of scrapwood and a dowel. Or use a Lula.

You'll love it; post pix.


Mike

Don't know what exactly I'm getting--I paid the hand-select fee and told them that ideally I want the best functioning one I can get, and a nice finish would be a plus but not really all that important :P. I've heard the mags are hard to load, but I've never loaded removable mags before, so I have no clue what a loading tool would look like or how you would use it.

Pics will definitely be posted, especially since I may be refinishing it depending on how it looks when I get it, and at the very least I'm going to have the grips bead blasted for texture.

[Ad Astra]

They have a very smooth DA pull, by the way. Notably smooth.

I shoot it mo' betta than many small autos. Really it's a small-med., I guess. But you can hit with it well.


Mike

[Five]

And don't worry about ammo drying up. Not many guns use the powerful 7.62x25tok anymore, but there are still dumptrucks of it out there.
The 9x18 is still being used by a fair number of countries in their duty pistols. I don't think you have to worry about it going anywhere 9x18 is going to be around for a LONG time

Now, not to derail your thread, but it's a question hardly worth asking in another thread. I apologize in advance...
Would anyone have any idea why my P-64 will not fire once loaded when it has been decocked? I mean, if the gun is empty with no mag: pull back slide, decock, snap snap snap. If you do this with any ammo in the mag, the trigger goes dead. just limp.
If you don't decock it and fire it from single action, it works every time. It's the damn decocker I guess

[Ad Astra]

Old decockers can be unreliable ... like in the CZ-52, for instance.

New springs? Wolff is your friend.

Dammit (to double derail the thread) I went and looked at J&Gs ad (in the mail today) and they have the Wiselite Arms build Sterlings ... in 7.62x25 caliber. You know how I feel about x25. Love it! But unsure about the gun. Dying for a carbine in x25; not sure if this is it.

Broke anyways, but.


Mike

[NoahL]

Originally Posted by Five

And don't worry about ammo drying up. Not many guns use the powerful 7.62x25tok anymore, but there are still dumptrucks of it out there.
The 9x18 is still being used by a fair number of countries in their duty pistols. I don't think you have to worry about it going anywhere 9x18 is going to be around for a LONG time

Now, not to derail your thread, but it's a question hardly worth asking in another thread. I apologize in advance...
Would anyone have any idea why my P-64 will not fire once loaded when it has been decocked? I mean, if the gun is empty with no mag: pull back slide, decock, snap snap snap. If you do this with any ammo in the mag, the trigger goes dead. just limp.
If you don't decock it and fire it from single action, it works every time. It's the damn decocker I guess

Well I'm no gunsmith--really I know very little--but couldn't that be your sear?

[Five]

Thanks for the info guys
I already have done a spring change out on it, but it very well could be the sear. I tried asking on a P64 board what it could be, and the only answer I got was "clean it better" i guess i could try soaking it in diesel overnight. I may try digging into it sometime this winter when I have some down time. I made the mistake of detailing my CZ52...and well, I KNOW how it goes back together, it just wont cooperate at all I'll get it sooner or later

At any rate, my time with my P64 has proven to me that the 9x18 certainly has a place in my caliber line up. It won the day when there was no ammo to be had. If I could pick up a milsurp right now, it would probably be an 82. Great guns with good capacity to size

I feel ya on the 7.62x25 long gun. If I had 900 burning a hole in my pocket, I would have to get the very sinister and oft overlooked PPSh that they have for sale at the gun store I see black rifles, AKs, and various other long guns go in and out of that place. However, Papa sits right there gathering dust
Maybe I should just get one of those inserts they make for the MN to shoot Tok ammo. It'd only be one shot at a time, but wonder what kind of ballistics you could get out of the mini-rifle round out of a long tube

[Ad Astra]

No! Jake, don't buy the PPSh; they're getting *horrible* reviews. That's what I really want, but not the builds out there currently.

PM me on the CZ52 prob; mine holds no mysteries- and I've replaced rollers, springs, etc.


Mike

[NoahL]

Originally Posted by Ad Astra

No! Jake, don't buy the PPSh; they're getting *horrible* reviews. That's what I really want, but not the builds out there currently.

PM me on the CZ52 prob; mine holds no mysteries- and I've replaced rollers, springs, etc.


Mike

Really? I've heard great things about the PPSh 41

[Ad Astra]

Originally Posted by NoahL

Really? I've heard great things about the PPSh 41

The REAL one, yes.

The semi-auto build by TNW not so much....

http://www.militarygunsupply.com/sho...roducts_id=133

http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showthread.php?p=139091

There are more. Google

TNW semi-auto PPSh review

I WANT one- when they work right. Never easy to make an open bolt SMG into a closed-bolt SA.

The Wiselight Arms one may be better:

http://www.uzitalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49465


Mike

[NoahL]

Originally Posted by Ad Astra

The REAL one, yes.

The semi-auto build by TNW not so much....

http://www.militarygunsupply.com/sho...roducts_id=133

http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showthread.php?p=139091

There are more. Google

TNW semi-auto PPSh review

I WANT one- when they work right. Never easy to make an open bolt SMG into a closed-bolt SA.

The Wiselight Arms one may be better:

http://www.uzitalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49465


Mike

Yikes! Yeah, the reviews I read were from guys who compete in SMG matches (which I didn't know existed!) so they were the full-auto versions.

[Ad Astra]

However, who am *I* to just repeat shit I read on the internet(s).

To be fair, both companies are invited to mail me sample PPSh's; I will do a thorough and fair review and post the results here.

I have the ammo. Just need the guns.


Mike

[NoahL]

My new baby arrived last night!

[KuKulzA28]

sweet gun!

[Ad Astra]

You'll love it. My buds looked like that; little bit of bluing took care of that muzzle wear. They have a paint-like finish that rubs off.

Did I lie or is the double-action pull sweet indeed?


Mike

[NoahL]

Originally Posted by KuKulzA28

sweet gun! :okay:

Thanks!

Originally Posted by Ad Astra

You'll love it. My buds looked like that; little bit of bluing took care of that muzzle wear. They have a paint-like finish that rubs off.

Did I lie or is the double-action pull sweet indeed?


Mike

I'm not too terribly concerned about the wear on the enamel finish at the moment. What I would like to do one day is strip the whole thing apart and have a buddy in the fabrication business bead blast everything so I can give it a matte black GunKote with gunmetal gray GunKote on the trigger, barrel and hammer. I figure that will give it approximately the same coloration that it has now in regards to the frame, slide, and barrel but with modern coating material, and the lighter color on the trigger and hammer should (in theory) make them a bit easier to see at night. The trouble is that I don't want to go through all the time and trouble of taking it apart when it is currently our ONLY gun in the apartment, because who knows how long it'll take me to put the damned thing back together :P. Instead, I'm just going to have the grips bead blasted for texture for now and leave it at that.

And the double action is sweet as sugar. Haven't shot it yet but I have to say that the trigger action, safety lock-up, and springs all seem to be in pretty good condition. An interesting thing I noted is that one of my mags doesn't like to release but the other two are fine. Any ideas?

[CWO4USCG]

Instead of the PPsH I went with the Finnish Suomi K31, the British Sterling, and the Auto Ord/Kahr Thompson M1928A1 - all three semi-auto; two are 9mm and the Auto Ord - .45 acp of course...TNW makes the Suomi...

[CWO4USCG]

Tim and his adult toys

[BigJoe]

NoahL,
Nice pistol! May you and your lady have many happy range sessions with it.
-Joe

P.S.: Take a look at the good mags and compare the difficult one to it. Years ago I firured out A S&W Sigma had the mag release notch cut too low (It was literally 1/16 inch low) on the factory supplied mags causing a failur to feed. Told the owner to get some new ones (and see if S&W would replace the factory ones), then lost contact with the guy.

[Ad Astra]

Originally Posted by BigJoe

NoahL,
Nice pistol! May you and your lady have many happy range sessions with it.
-Joe

P.S.: Take a look at the good mags and compare the difficult one to it. Years ago I firured out A S&W Sigma had the mag release notch cut too low (It was literally 1/16 inch low) on the factory supplied mags causing a failur to feed. Told the owner to get some new ones (and see if S&W would replace the factory ones), then lost contact with the guy.

Exactly; the odd-man-out will be shorter/longer/thicker/have a hole in the wrong place by 1/32"

Having two "right" ones will help.

I will never, ever, ever get my 1911 mags straight ...

Mike

[NoahL]

Originally Posted by Ad Astra

Exactly; the odd-man-out will be shorter/longer/thicker/have a hole in the wrong place by 1/32"

Having two "right" ones will help.

I will never, ever, ever get my 1911 mags straight ...

Mike

Actually, the only thing different is that the mouth (not really sure of the terminology) dips slightly lower on the defective one, but the mouth would be more related to feed issues than releasing the mag, I would think?

[Five]

That is one nice looking gun

I'll always be a fan of the 9x18

[BigJoe]

Please forgive my ignorance, I have never handled this model of pistol and donot know if this will apply.

Does the pistol have a last round hold open function? Insert empty magazine and pull the slide back if it locks back the answer is yes.

On my 1911 and clone some mags will hang up with the part of the mag that activates the slide lock(or hold open function). One I fixed by hammering the ammo follower flat and grinding one side of it down to fit the mag.

Problem could be caused by something like what happened on the above mag or it could be a bur on the slide lockthat is hanging up on the mag.

Other possibility is the mag retention device is hanging up on the mag. again it could be some bur on the gun part.

Just some random thoughts, hope you get it figured out. Other wise mark the mag with some super bright color and use it for the range only.

-Joe

[NoahL]

Originally Posted by BigJoe

Please forgive my ignorance, I have never handled this model of pistol and donot know if this will apply.

Does the pistol have a last round hold open function? Insert empty magazine and pull the slide back if it locks back the answer is yes.

On my 1911 and clone some mags will hang up with the part of the mag that activates the slide lock(or hold open function). One I fixed by hammering the ammo follower flat and grinding one side of it down to fit the mag.

Problem could be caused by something like what happened on the above mag or it could be a bur on the slide lockthat is hanging up on the mag.

Other possibility is the mag retention device is hanging up on the mag. again it could be some bur on the gun part.

Just some random thoughts, hope you get it figured out. Other wise mark the mag with some super bright color and use it for the range only.

-Joe

It does lock open on the last round, and I ended up deciding to exchange the mag for another one, so I'm shipping it back. I decided that since two of the three work perfectly I wasn't going to mess with it :P

I went to the range with it for the first time tonight, and I don't think I did horribly, considering that it was my first time ever shooting a semi-automatic handgun, and second time shooting a handgun period. I set the targets at 21 feet and got roughly 5" groups with a few strays (on the paper). I had three feed failures but I'm sure they were my fault. I'll try and put up a picture of one of my targets here eventually

[NoahL]

As promised, I have uploaded a picture of one of my targets. I set the targets out at 21ft and tried my luck, and other than me sucking in general it shot low, which I expected--I think I'm going to get a taller rear sight for a CZ-83 one of these days and swap them out, but I haven't decided yet because the ammo I was shooting was range ammo. I bought a bunch of ammo online because it was half the price of the ammo at the gun club, but when I got there I was told I couldn't use it because it's steel (I'm pretty sure just the casing is steel, but oh well). Here is my pathetic first-ever handgun group at 21ft, with my point-of-aim circled (and I just noticed that I labeled it POI instead of POA ):



As I mentioned, I have never fired a handgun before yesterday, so go easy on me--this thing doesn't aim like a rifle at ALL! :P

[Ad Astra]

Relax and keep shooting.

Yeah, that steel ammo thing usually applies to steel core rounds that damage backstop plates- not steel cases. However, some cheap bastards that run ranges (ahem locally here) don't really want you to pick up your brass- they make a good buck reselling it. So, that could be it, too.


Mike

[NoahL]

Originally Posted by Ad Astra

Relax and keep shooting.

Yeah, that steel ammo thing usually applies to steel core rounds that damage backstop plates- not steel cases. However, some cheap bastards that run ranges (ahem locally here) don't really want you to pick up your brass- they make a good buck reselling it. So, that could be it, too.


Mike

They magnet tested my ammo--if it sticks to the magnet it's a no go, regardless of WHY it sticks to the magnet. The ammo I bought is Silver Bear, which doesn't say anything about having a steel core, but I suppose it could still have a steel core. I'm pretty sure the casings on the range rounds (Blazer) were steel, though, so I don't know that the reselling thing was a factor. The fact that the Blazers cost twice as much as my Silver Bears ($20 for a box of 50 compared to $10 for a box of 50) might have had something to do with it though

[BigJoe]

Noah,
Nice grouping for a second range session. With the deal you got on ammo you may want to check into outdoor shooting locations. Look for shooting areas, not managed ranges as they allow use of any ammo. The drawback is having to haul your targets and target holders with you.

I live out in the Cental Eastern side of Arizona and we have no "Managed Ranges" as of yet, so this is the most affordible option to go plinking for me. I tend to try and make a day of it with a packed sack lunch and 3/4~1 gal of dringking water and as much ammo as I can carry out to the car.

[NoahL]

Originally Posted by BigJoe

Noah,
Nice grouping for a second range session. With the deal you got on ammo you may want to check into outdoor shooting locations. Look for shooting areas, not managed ranges as they allow use of any ammo. The drawback is having to haul your targets and target holders with you.

I live out in the Cental Eastern side of Arizona and we have no "Managed Ranges" as of yet, so this is the most affordible option to go plinking for me. I tend to try and make a day of it with a packed sack lunch and 3/4~1 gal of dringking water and as much ammo as I can carry out to the car.

Thanks Joe, I looked into outdoor ranges, but I'm not sure how to go about looking for outdoor shooting "area" that are unmanaged. Back in Illinois I could just go out back, over to my best friend's house, or to my grandparents' farm and shoot, so I never had any reason to go to any ranges at all. While I like the 4 Rules being enforced (at least at the range I went to) I have to say that the house rules are a little less than fun, so an unmanaged area might be nice. Any idea of where something like that might be that I could get to from Tatum/Cactus without too much of a day trip?

[BigJoe]

Unfortunately I do not.

Check Scottsdale gunclub ask around at the local shops. Guys at Sportsmans Warehouse etc. Generally if someone is carrying openly, they have a high probability of knowing of some areas that are good to go to.

[NoahL]

Well, no luck on finding an outdoor shooting area, but I did find 50rd boxes of Sellier & Bellot 9x18 Makarov for $15 a box. I now have 200 rounds and it's nonmagnetic so I can shoot it at the gun club

[NoahL]

I finished the holster for my CZ-82 and got the grips back from being bead-blasted:





The lighting in the pictures isn't great because it was raining outside, but you take what you can get sometimes. I have some tweaking to do to my pattern to get the stitching closer to the gun and accounting for depth a little better so the sweat shield has more coverage (although it does a good job as it is) and so the holster doesn't overhang the muzzle so far, but overall I'm pretty happy with it.

[BigJoe]

The holster looks very good. I agree the tweaking will improve your user comfort. Nicely done so far.

[il bruche]

Originally Posted by NoahL

Well, no luck on finding an outdoor shooting area, but I did find 50rd boxes of Sellier & Bellot 9x18 Makarov for $15 a box. I now have 200 rounds and it's nonmagnetic so I can shoot it at the gun club

You're surrounded by miles and miles of shooting area. I used to go out past Superior to the Oak Flats campground. Shoot anywhere you like. When I lived in Black Canyon City I could follow the dry Agua Fria and shoot wherever there was a back stop.

Take the road out towards Four Peaks. You can shoot anywhere in Tonto National Forest. That's probably your best bet. There is an old abandoned corral/ranch that is a great place to shoot.

[NoahL]

Originally Posted by il bruche

You're surrounded by miles and miles of shooting area. I used to go out past Superior to the Oak Flats campground. Shoot anywhere you like. When I lived in Black Canyon City I could follow the dry Agua Fria and shoot wherever there was a back stop.

Take the road out towards Four Peaks. You can shoot anywhere in Tonto National Forest. That's probably your best bet. There is an old abandoned corral/ranch that is a great place to shoot.

I appreciate the suggestions but I'm from Illinois, man--I have no clue where any of that stuff you just said is except Black Canyon City, and that only because I stopped for gas there on the way back from Flagstaff once.